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Brenden is the founder of MasterTalk, he coaches ambitious executives & entrepreneurs to become top 1% communicators in their industry. He also has a popular YouTube channel called MasterTalk, with the goal of providing free access to communication tools for everyone in the world.

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Episode 128

[00:00:00] Voiceover: You know what it is. That's right. It's time to talk money with your money nerd and financial coach. Now tighten those purse strings in open those ears. It's the money talk with TIFF podcast.

[00:00:14] Tiffany Grant: Hey everyone. And welcome to another episode of the money. Talk with TIF podcast today. I'm super excited cuz I have Brendan who is the founder of master talk. Now he coaches ambitious executives and entrepreneurs to become. Top 1%, top 1%. Y'all so you better listen. In their industry, he also has a popular YouTube channel called master talk with the goal of providing free access to communication tools for everyone in the world.

So thank you so much, Brendan, for coming on the show today.

[00:00:45] Brenden Kumarasamy: Of course, Tiffany, it's great to be on.

[00:00:47] Tiffany Grant: Yeah. Like I mentioned in your introduction, I'm super excited to have you on cuz I know that personally, that there's a lot of people that listen to me that do struggle with public speaking. So I'm very interested in having this conversation with you now.

Let's just jump right in. So when it comes to public speaking, what are some things that people should keep in mind? Or some top tips that they should, think about when they have, let's say they need to get up in front of somebody or even let's say a potential client. What are some top tips that they should think.

[00:01:22] Brenden Kumarasamy: Yeah, for sure. Tiffany, in, in context, your show, which is primarily about money and finances, I'm sure there's a ton of episodes where you talk about what is our relationship with money, right? Because if our relationship with money is negative, it doesn't matter how much money we make. We'll spend it all.

We'll do the, we'll make the wrong decisions. We won't create financial sustainability within our life. Communication works in the same way. So the first question that the audience needs to think about is what is your relationship with communication? Cuz most of us, the relationship we have is surrounded by fear, anxiety, and stress.

And if that's all you're thinking about, when you're thinking about communication, you're probably not gonna get better. So the first step in my process is always to dream. We dream about our financial targets. We dream about our business goals. We dream about the relationships we wanna have in our life, the life we wanna live.

When was the last time we dreamed about our communication skills and the answer is never. So the question that I have for people is how would your life change if you were an exceptional communicator?

[00:02:26] Tiffany Grant: I love that. I love that because I do talk a lot about your emotions and everything as it relates to money.

And like you said, I've even never dreamed about a being a perfect communicator or like stepping on stage and just like nailing it. I'm usually like free styling all the time, but but that is a very good point. Cuz we make our realities. So if someone was. Had those fears and things like that.

What are some ways that they can get over?

[00:02:55] Brenden Kumarasamy: For sure, Tiffany, what I always like to say is like the fear of communication is actually really difficult to Mo remove. And I think it's a bad expectation to have to begin with. It's saying, having the perfect budget with money, but if you miss one part of the budget, you shouldn't do it at all.

It's like the same thing. You're better off just going to the gym, the not going at all. So communication is the same way. Let me give you an example with me. Cause I'm the expert apparently of communication. So let's say me and you are having lunch and somebody calls me. And that person is Elon Musk and he says, Hey, Brenda, I really like your YouTube videos.

Can you come coach me? I'll pay you a million bucks. Would I ship my pants? Yeah, absolutely. How about coach? Lot to CEOs for sure. But I would still be scared regardless of the experience they have. So there's always a level where we're all scared. So the goal is actually not to remove the fear, but rather do something else with it.

Think of it like a boxing analogy, like a boxing match. So one side of the ring is the fear of communication, the anxiety, the stress, but the other side is the message. Why is it important for you to share this? What is it matter to you? What is it going to get you? And the goal is never for the fear to leave the ring, but rather.

When your message and your fear meet in the middle of that boxing match, that your message gets the knockout punch, that your message wins. The match. I started messed up when I was a kid, I was like a 22 year old kid in my mother's basement. I still live in my mother's basement yet. I've still built a really successful business.

So why did I press record when I was 22? I didn't do it for the executives. I did it for the 15 year old girl. Couldn't afford me.

[00:04:35] Tiffany Grant: Yes. Yes. I love that. So the message focus on your message and then that'll get you over the fear. I know personally cuz I was very, believe it or not y'all I was very shy and I didn't like talking to people when I was younger.

I know what kind of helped me was my first job when I was 16 and I worked at CV. And so I had to talk to people. And so then that kind of opened that door up as well. So I feel like maybe that might be, you're the expert, but I feel like maybe that might be another aspect too, is just to slowly build up to the big crowds and things like that.

[00:05:12] Brenden Kumarasamy: absolutely. I'm a huge fan of easy wins. So I love that. You mentioned that for me, it's communication is like juggling 18 balls at the same time. One of those balls is eye contact and another one is smiling. Another one is vocal tone variety. So instead of trying to do all of it at the same time, like with money, it's forget about just all these.

Different strategies. Are you spending more than you're saving? It's just, you start the basics. So for me, what are the three easiest balls in communication for me? The first ball is the rant of word exercise. Pick a random word, like tissue box, like cup, like perspective, like destiny and create random presentations out of thin air.

What this allows us to do, Tiffany is it allows us to do the following. If you can make sense out of nonsense, you can make sense out of anything. And that's what the random word exercise gives us.

[00:06:07] Tiffany Grant: okay. Let's dive a little deeper into that, cuz I'm like, I might use this in one of my classes. So when it comes to the random word exercise, can you just give us a brief of what that would look like if somebody was to implement that?

[00:06:20] Brenden Kumarasamy: Of course. Throw me any word you want.

[00:06:22] Tiffany Grant: Word

[00:06:24] Brenden Kumarasamy: sure words. Govern the way that we live our lives, languages, syllables, pronunciation. The way that we see life is through the power of words for without words, how can communication even Enue, but there's other parts of the way that we interact with others.

Tiffany, that doesn't need worries the way that we smile at each other, the way that we shake each other's hands, the way that we use our eye contact to make people feel a little bit more special. That day. And it's those little cues that really have nothing to do with words that makes people's days. So I ask all of you to think about not just the words that you're using on a day to day basis, but the way that you're showing up a great coach of mine once said, Tiffany, that the way your being is way more important than you think you're doing.

So B. In a way that doesn't require words. And also, I wanna point out, Tiffany did not gimme the word prior to this conversation. So I literally did that off the cusp. He

[00:07:28] Tiffany Grant: absolutely did. there you go. Oh, cuz you saw, I was struggling with what word to give you . But that is awesome. And it reminds me of when like comedians are or are.

Or, people that perform when they're practicing, they do this impromptu stuff. And it reminds me of that and I'm like, oh, that's a good idea to do just as somebody. Actually when you're speaking, you're performing. That's a great idea. I love that. So what is another tip that people can think about when it comes to.

Either getting over their fear, or let's say they're already in front of the audience. What should they do? While they're in that situation.

[00:08:07] Brenden Kumarasamy: for sure, Tiffany. So my perspective is always, never wait for the moment, prepare for the moment. So when it strikes you knock it out of the park.

So it's the same thing with money, right? We gotta know how to manage our small amount of money so that when we get bigger or chunks of money, we know how to deal with those situations. We don't freak out. So it's the same thing. So I call this my easy threes. So one of them we talked about is the random word exercise.

The second one is what I call puzzle. So communications like jigsaw puzzles, those POI, those toys we used to play as kids with those little pieces. So the question to think about is when we work on jigsaw puzzles, which pieces do we start with first? And the answer is the quarter pieces.

Cause they're just easier to find the box. And you put the outline, you work you in the middle. So I'm gonna talk about puzzles. The reason I'm talking about puzzles is because in communication, we do the opposite. Unfortunately, we start at the middle. So what happens when we're preparing a speech, we're shoving a bunch of content.

We get to the presentation, we ramble throughout the whole thing. And the last slide's on something like this thanks. It's it's terrible. So instead prepare your presentations like a jigsaw puzzle. Start with the edges first, do the introduction 50 times 50 seems like a big number, but actually is it only takes an hour.

Do the same thing with the conclusion. What's a great movie with the terrible ending. Last time I checked terrible movie and then tackle the middle. So that's number two.

[00:09:39] Tiffany Grant: Ah. Gotcha. Okay. So go ahead. When you are preparing, if you are a preparer , start with the outsides and work your way in. So start with the intro, then the outro, and then start working on the content.

I love that. Now as someone personally, who's not a preparer I realize that I do worse when I try to prepare. Then if I. Let it flow. What is something that people that struggle with, you know, doing preparation what is a tip for them as they get on with their public speaking, then we'll go back to number three.

Sorry. .

[00:10:13] Brenden Kumarasamy: No, you're all good. Tiffany. You're all good. So here's what I would say. If you're someone who is more of your type of speaker, cause I don't wanna change your style. I would say practice the random word exercise more, cuz that doesn't require any prep. That's more like going through the flow of how you do things.

The other piece though is for those. Of you who don't like to prepare too much, you don't have to do it for every presentation. Just do it for the one that you find yourself repeating the most. I'll give you a super easy example, which ties into number three. Actually, when you guest on a podcast or when you host a podcast, you're asking very similar questions, especially when you're a guest, you're always answering the same questions.

So there even if. You don't like prep, like understanding what you're gonna get asked and being prepared a little bit more will help you improve the quality of your answers over time, which ties into number three. A lot of us aren't proactive with the questions that we get asked. So I call this question drills.

I remember when I started guessing on pods, Tiffany, somebody asked me a few years ago, where was the fear of communication come from? Like where does it come? And I was like, I don't know, dude, Los Angeles, San Diego, like I was super clueless. I had no idea. So I was reactive. I wasn't proactive to the way that I answered questions.

So what did I do instead? Every day for five minutes, I would write down the answer to one question. Somebody would ask me about communication, but I did that every day for a year. So if you do that every day for a year, with only five minutes, by the way, you'll have answered 365 questions about your industry and you'll be unbeatable.

Bless you, Elsa. Thank you.

[00:11:53] Tiffany Grant: I'm like we got something going on here. But yes. I love that because like you said, a lot of times, especially when you're a speaker, cuz that's something that I do quite often as well. People want you for the same type of topics answering the same type of questions, that type of thing.

So I love that idea. Of just going through like common questions that I get and coming up with the answer and then practicing that. And you said only five minutes a day. I think that's doable. oh yeah. All right. Absolutely. Okay. Let's so we did all three of those and we still have a little more time, if somebody was in front of the audience. Okay. Because I've had people come to me. Not really come to me say that they had a big presentation coming up and I'm always giving them tips or whatever. If they have a big presentation coming up they're not. Really good at public speaking.

So they think, and I have that thing too. Like people think that they're worse than what they are. What are some tips that they can practice or get through? Other than those three, where let's say, for instance, they need to hop on a stage right now. Like what is something that they can do right before their speech?

[00:13:02] Brenden Kumarasamy: yeah, Tiffany I'm not a big fan of silver bullets. Maybe another coach will give you a straight answer to that. But I think for me, it's really about, you need to get the L. Like and it's a good lesson in of itself. You should never wait until the day before to prepare for something that matters.

That really matters. But the other piece to that, if that situation does occur, I would say if you only had a few hours go back to your purpose why are you giving the presentation? I'll give you one example. What, before, before the pandemic hit, I got asked to keynote in front of like 400 kids for pro bono, just to help them with their communi.

and I prepared for a long time. Cause it was a big deal for me, foreign pu back then. So I prepped for months for it, actually not months, weeks for it. Excuse me. And then I got to the presentation and I found out 15 minutes before the keynote that I had to deliver half of it in French. and I was like, shit, and I'm fluent in French, but it's my second language.

I'm not, I've never keyed in that language. And the director was like, Hey, by the way, I forgot to mention, perhaps this crowd doesn't speak English okay. You just happened in French. I was like, excuse me, what? So obviously that situation I prepared, but I need to. So I just went back to my purpose.

It is impossible for me to do bad and I'll tell you why not because I'm great or anything, but because if I don't do well in front of those kids, they're gonna look at me. This kid can't be a great speaker. I can't be a great speaker for sure. Cuz he's the expert. So I was just unacceptable for me to not deliver.

So I just went up there and I translated half of my presentation on the spot and I made it work. So I think the keys, you gotta go back to your purpose cuz if you don't, you'll lose.

[00:14:41] Tiffany Grant: I oh, I love that. I love that. And just to key in the audience, cuz we did talk about where you were from you're in Montreal, which French cuz in the us we suck, we don't know anything.

 But yes. So I love that though, because it also highlights how, when someone hires you to be a speaker or, they ask you to get on stage for something, you are the expert. And so that's another tip that I tell people even if you mess up, , don't make it obvious, let that you messed up, cuz nobody's gonna know you're the expert.

So exactly at the end of the day, you can literal. I don't recommend this, but you can go up there and say whatever and people would be like, oh yeah, because they have no idea. So that's another thing that gives me the confidence as well is that I am the expert and people came to listen to me speak.

And so at the end of the day even if I do mess up, I'm not gonna let the audience know that I messed up. .

[00:15:41] Brenden Kumarasamy: Absolutely. I think that's so true. It's like a dance choreography. If someone messes up the choreography, does the audience know? No, cuz they don't know the routine. So I think it's important for us to acknowledge that and realize that, look, if there's a reason we're on that stage and not everyone else it's because we're not because we're the world's best expert.

Cause we don't need to be. But just because we're one step, we're two chapters, we're three chapters ahead in that skillset as everyone else in the audience. I'm sure those communication coaches are better than me in the world. Cause I'm just getting, I'm getting sure I've been doing this for seven years, I still have a lot more career left to go, I'm not the oldest tool in the shed so there you, so yeah, I have a lot more to learn for.

[00:16:20] Tiffany Grant: Absolutely. Absolutely. Thank you so much, Brendan. I think this was very informative for the audience. And if people were interested in finding out more about you finding out more tips, watching your YouTube channel, where could they find you?

[00:16:35] Brenden Kumarasamy: absolutely. Tiffany, this is great. Thanks for having me super fun.

So two ways to keep in touch. The first one is the YouTube channel master talk in one word you'll to access to hundreds of cool videos on how to speak. And number two is attending my zoom free trainings. I do a free training on communication every three weeks over zoom. It's fun. It's live, it's interactive and it's free.

So if you wanna register for that, go to rockstar, communicator dot.

[00:17:01] Tiffany Grant: Ooh, rockstar communicator. I know I wanna be one. So if you all didn't get all of that. I will definitely have it in the show notes. Thank you so much, Brendan, for coming on the show today. It was my pleasure.

[00:17:13] Brenden Kumarasamy: Hey, the pleasure was absolutely mine, Tiffany.

Thanks for having me. Bye.

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